tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post1847535853915691331..comments2023-10-29T09:42:01.975-04:00Comments on Infinity Ranch (Archive Only): Felony Murder and CausationJD Byrnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00752668899810828567noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-85818590966904752572008-01-07T11:59:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:59:00.000-05:00There is clearly an issue here beyond... The kid g...There is clearly an issue here beyond... The kid gave his friends his car in order to rob a place = The kid committed the murder at the scene. <BR/><BR/>According to a 2007 interview with the New York Times Holle had no criminal record. He had lent his car to those same friends countless times before.<BR/><BR/>Holle stated that "I honestly thought they were going to get food" and that "When they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-74068409936411352202007-12-13T12:01:00.000-05:002007-12-13T12:01:00.000-05:00Living in the UK where we abandoned Felony Murder ...Living in the UK where we abandoned Felony Murder doctrine, I find it astonishing that Ryan could be tried and convicted in this way. <BR/><BR/>Given the proximity of the drug dealer's house, it's perfectly reasonable to say that the culprits of the crime could have easily travelled to the house without Ryan's car, thus negating the arguments of the victim's father.<BR/><BR/>But more importantlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-7218591917572136022007-12-11T21:51:00.000-05:002007-12-11T21:51:00.000-05:00I'm Ryans mom, please contact me at sylgdestin@cox...I'm Ryans mom, please contact me at sylgdestin@cox.netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-45841355424242055632007-12-05T18:12:00.000-05:002007-12-05T18:12:00.000-05:00grandcaymanmecrazy - the felony murder rule goes b...grandcaymanmecrazy - the felony murder rule goes back well beyond the Lindberg case. It is part of what my Torts professor called the "olde common law" that existed in England for centuries. In fact, the UK has done away with the rule via an act of Parliament.<BR/><BR/>Anon - the unfairness comes not from the liability but from the scope of punishment, in my book. Once the FM rule is triggeredJD Byrnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00752668899810828567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-83104608734310623202007-12-05T15:23:00.000-05:002007-12-05T15:23:00.000-05:00I'm pretty liberal on most things but if this guy ...I'm pretty liberal on most things but if this guy loaned his friend a car 'with some idea' that it would be used in the commission of a robbery, he gets what he gets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-26316737896113989432007-12-05T14:28:00.000-05:002007-12-05T14:28:00.000-05:00How is the felony murder rule "unfair"? If two pe...How is the felony murder rule "unfair"? If two people are acting in concert to commit a serious felony end up killing somebody during the course of the crime, why should only the guy who pulls the trigger be found guilty of murder? They both knew that bad things happen when you rob someone...they or a bystander could be killed by a bullet fired by the victim in self-defense, for example. SureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-19097297991024160662007-12-05T12:46:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:46:00.000-05:00Doesn't this law stem from the Lindbergh baby case...Doesn't this law stem from the Lindbergh baby case - where they decided that the baby's death should be categorized as homicide since it happened (even if accidental) during the commission of another felony?<BR/><BR/>If that's the standard, this should certainly apply to the actual perpetrators, but I fail to see how it applies to Mr. Snyder. When did loaning a car become a felony?<BR/><BR/>It'sslivaudaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11364175645727701866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-91044312633361395582007-12-05T11:47:00.000-05:002007-12-05T11:47:00.000-05:00And if they had taken a bus?And if they had taken a bus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-67713552370597745802007-12-05T11:08:00.000-05:002007-12-05T11:08:00.000-05:00Excellent post. Awful reality.Excellent post. Awful reality.Buzzardbillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755522048417416544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-66849008910552128602007-12-05T10:08:00.000-05:002007-12-05T10:08:00.000-05:00does that mean that if you sell a gun to a person ...does that mean that if you sell a gun to a person and that person murders somebody with it, you are responsible for their murder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-43007172622893592652007-12-05T09:14:00.000-05:002007-12-05T09:14:00.000-05:00I think the proximate cause is pretty satisfied in...I think the proximate cause is pretty satisfied in this case. A previous poster pointed out that murders typically occur when cars are use in robberies. If they had committed some very unforeseeable crime, I could understand getting riled up about this.<BR/><BR/>For an analogy, if Ryan had lent the robbers the gun they used, clearly it would be reasonable to charge him with felony murder.<BR/><BRGerrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04404623862027633674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-21274646232881948822007-12-05T07:00:00.000-05:002007-12-05T07:00:00.000-05:00Well said, JDB. Well said.Well said, JDB. Well said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-56970883991250479842007-12-05T04:21:00.000-05:002007-12-05T04:21:00.000-05:00imstupid: yes it's robbery assisting but that's it...imstupid: yes it's robbery assisting but that's it.<BR/><BR/>None of the guys should be convicted of murder besides the guy who actually committed it. The circumstances are redundant.<BR/><BR/>It's absolutely ridiculous and fortunately I live in a country where such laws have no basis to stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-87348935478800529022007-12-05T03:41:00.000-05:002007-12-05T03:41:00.000-05:00This kid loaned a car to his friend for the purpos...This kid loaned a car to his friend for the purpose of using it in a robbery of a drug dealer, where the kid knew that someone may be home. It is reasonable to think that a gun may be used, and a death would result, in a robbery of a drug dealer! I don't know about the Felony murder rules, but this seems like a solid Aiding and abetting case. The kid assisted in the robbery by loaning his car, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6316648.post-74123604353305220972007-12-05T00:24:00.000-05:002007-12-05T00:24:00.000-05:00hey, found out about the story from reddit.com (ht...hey, found out about the story from reddit.com (http://reddit.com/info/623qb/comments/)<BR/><BR/>Okay, this is a serious tragedy. That boy is sitting in a cell as I type this. The reddit.com community is a pretty lazy bunch, but what can we do to free this guy? the reddit community did do one or two things (http://reddit.com/info/61wkp/comments/)<BR/>and we are a sizable population (a good chunk Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com